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General Calculations?

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:07 pm
by vakimo
Im sure these are on this site somewhere, but i havent exactly found what im looking for. does anyone know some links or formulas off hand that could help be predict piston force as well as projectile velocity or acceleration? I know the basic physics calculations with velocity/accel/distance/force, but i dont know how air pressure fits into all that since its constant force, instead of impact.

Any help or redirection is appreciated :)

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:19 pm
by MrCrowley
As for the projectile questions, this is handy:
http://www.thehalls-in-bfe.com/GGDT/

For predicting piston force, what's wrong with finding the area of the piston exposed to air pressure and using that to figure out the force applied to it (force = pressure x area)? I'm sure you could calculate acceleration and what not as well if required (acceleration = force/mass) it wont be exact but it would do. Perhaps I've misunderstood.

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:53 pm
by SpudBlaster15
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:52 pm
by vakimo
Wow, thanks for the full explanation. :D
Also, very helpful calc MrCrowley

So if i have a 2.6lb piston in a 4" chamber and 1.3" stroke at 1000psi, that would be:
a = P*A/m, or 1000*12.56/2.6 = 4833 in/s^2 = 402ft/s^2

Then d=0.5at^2, or 1.3=0.5*402*t^2, so t=0.0804s

Then Vf= a*t, so 32.33ft/s

These last two might be unnecessary, but this is where i'm unclear. how is the impact force calculated? F=MA just gives me the initial force behind the piston, not the energy accumulated over its travel..

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:56 pm
by MrCrowley
Can you then use this for the average energy accumulated over the pistons travel?

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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:10 pm
by vakimo
Yes! thats the equation i needed. it comes out to be 1359lbs, which sounds about right :D

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:29 pm
by SpudBlaster15
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