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				portable pneumatic potato gun no co2 or n2 or compressor
				Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:35 pm
				by trae08
				Ok well i was just sittin here on my comp  an i was thinkin about a new portable way to shoot a gun then i thought what if u take a 4 inch by 6 inch pice of pipe put a plug on one end an a clean out plug on the other fill it with vinegar an pour in the baking soda then seal it  shake it an let it fill up  just an idea.
or u could even use a smaller piece of pipe
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:43 pm
				by )DEMON(
				It would not be very efficient, not to mention it will make one hell of a mess. You would be better off making a small pneumatic cannon and mount a bike pump on the bottom. You could make a break barrel spring action one like an air rifle or you could just go co2 wize.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:46 pm
				by x.X.Cpt.Rollhart.X.x
				Oh dont hurt yourself with your powerful portable pneumatic  

 
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:18 pm
				by SpudStuff
				can you cay dry ice and water
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:44 pm
				by carlbelcher
				If you choose to use baking soda and vinegar, or dry ice, or even hydrogen peroxide and metal make sure you use a safety blow off valve, because any of these reactions are capable of producing more pressure then PVC or even sometime metal pipe can withstand. Also keep in mind that PVC + COLD (Dry Ice) = BAD!
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:52 pm
				by Brian the brain
				Or use coca cola and mentos..
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:53 pm
				by trae08
				peroxide an what kind of metal?
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:57 pm
				by Brian the brain
				Or alcohol and chloride?
Although the fumes will make you vomit immediately...
Might be a nice deturrent or sumthin'
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:16 pm
				by carlbelcher
				Hydrogen peroxide reacts with any metal, even the highly diluted stuff you can buy at pharmacies will produce a gas when it comes in contact with metal.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:32 pm
				by Mihlrad
				Brian the brain wrote:Or alcohol and chloride?
Although the fumes will make you vomit immediately...
Might be a nice deturrent or sumthin'
and you might also end up with a missing limb or two dont forget that.
not to knock your idea, but its pretty pointless because all of these things can not be regulated to stop at a given level, and are no more portable than any other idea...
 
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 7:54 pm
				by boilingleadbath
				God...
I've calculated the case for acetic acid and sodium bicarbonate. It costs about .5$/3L at 100 psi.
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HOOH (hydrogen peroxide) costs me about .25$/mole over here (America). And that's at it's cheapest (pool-grade, not medical grade, which is about 1$/mole).
Thus, it costs .5$ or so to fill a 3L chamber to 100 psi. A bit better than a CO2 cartrige, admittedly, but not cheap.
Metal? The only metalic catalists I know of for the decomp. of HOOH are silver and platinum - neither of which are cheap.
Use MnO2... it's pretty effective stuff.
If you can't figure out how to get it, you shouldn't be playing with pure O2 at 100 psi.
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Oh, and Brian... mixing R-OHs and clorides doesn't release any fumes.
Perhaps you ment hypoclorates? (which might, although I'm not certain)
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:45 pm
				by carlbelcher
				The primary factors contributing to H2O2 decomposition include: increasing temperature (2.2 factor increase for each 10 deg-C); increasing pH ( especially at pH > 6-8 ); increasing contamination (especially transition metals such as copper, manganese or iron); and to a lesser degree, exposure to ultraviolet light. In most cases, pH and contamination work in tandem as the dominant factors.
http://www.h2o2.com/intro/faq.html
I think that pretty much includes most metals, including both ferrous and non-ferrous.
 
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:43 pm
				by M3NT4L
				wouldent a mini bike pump atached to a little blogun activated gun be more effective less messy more powerfull and not smell like ...crap