Spudder's Design Tool (SDT)

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Mon Sep 15, 2025 7:35 pm

D_Hall wrote:
Tue Sep 02, 2025 10:48 pm
Wanna try it?
I will! It would be neat to compare the new version and the old VB6 version of GGDT with chrono data. I have a pneumatic I'm still playing around with, just no free time. :p
Also I remember my physics lab had us make a ballistics calculator in excel back in like 2010, this takes me way back lol.
Can't wait to play around with it, thanks for all you do.
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Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:46 pm

D_Hall wrote:
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Turbine32 wrote:
Tue Sep 09, 2025 8:28 am
Salutations et Merci pour ce fabuleux travail !
Je recherche comment l'utiliser, de souvenirs hgdt était un calculateur excellent avec plus de gaz disponibles il aurait été plus abouti 😁
Pour de l'hybride
From a performance perspective, there isn't much difference between different hydrocarbons. It's been a long time, but I recall reading a paper wherein the performance of different hydrocarbons (methane, ethane, propane, and butane) were studied in gas gun applications. There was a measurable difference, yes, but it was also small enough that the author concluded that one should simply use whatever fuel was easiest/cheapest for them to get. The biggest issue is that you're limited by the oxygen content in air no matter what fuel you use. If you start using supplimental oxygen, things change, of course. But if you're using oxygen enrichment techniques you're asking for a detonation and playing games at a high enough level that you shouldn't need HGDT (or SDT).
Energy content wise, there is very little difference between hydrocarbons, especially the simple ones like methane, ethane, propane, butane, ...

Acetylene and hydrogen are outliers. They both burn considerably faster than the simple hydrocarbons and they both have much wider combustibility limits. That means mixtures don't have to be as accurate to get combustion. But if you are far from the stoichiometric mix, the energy released is greatly reduced.

Here's my old page on fuels that includes things like stylometry, fuel air ratio and a table with flame front speeds. http://www.inpharmix.com/jps/Combustion_fuels.html
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Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:58 pm

Cool, a new version! I'll need to find some time to play with it.

I seem to recall that previous models and studies showed that friction (static in particular) was important in basic combustion guns. That was part of the reason for using a double bevel spud cutter. it gives a very tight fitting spud. In a 2" barrel the static friction could be tens of pounds of force.

Does the old HGDT show a significant effect in a 1x gun with low versus high static friction?
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jimmy101 wrote:
Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:58 pm
Does the old HGDT show a significant effect in a 1x gun with low versus high static friction?
I have no idea. Others would be better positioned to answer that than I would be. I wrote HGDT to model VERA. To date she's the only combustion/hybrid gun I've ever built. HGDT did a pretty good job of modeling her. SDT seems to do an even better job. It's been long enough since I wrote HGDT that I don't remember every nuance so I can't speak to exactly what the differences are. I know in some ways SGT has more advanced concepts implimented in it. I know in other ways SGT has been simplified.
Simulation geek (SDT/GGDT/HGDT) and designer of Vera.
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